[lovecraftian]

According to this source, there's another Superman flick in the making. Will it be somewhat boring and pretty disappointing? Here's hoping NOT.

There's also been some talk of replacing the Supes sequel with a JLA flick instead.

What do you guys make of it?

[Thomas Alan]

I'm not a big fan of Superman Returns, so I can't be all that up for this.

I'm still wishing that they'd go through on a World's Finest movie. The Superman/Batman dynamic has always fascinated me.

[Darth Spoon]

Both Supes and JLA are in the works as we speak. Apparently George Miller (Mad Max, Happy Feet) has been hired for the job.

As for Man of Steel, Singer has said a number of times that he's going to make the film much more adult, and will focus more on action than Superman's emotional problems. I think he said he was going to make a "Wrath of Khan" version, if you can picture that.

[Obi_Wan_Kenobi_0]

They should go ahead with MoS. I liked Superman Returns and Routh was awesome as Superman imo. Plus a JL film would be risky. It might be awesome but it could also ruin the characters included. Also, what would happen with Nolan's Batman films? Would he make a third? Would Bale be in JL?

I think they should have MoS along with other solo films (Wonder Woman, Flash etc), then release a sequel to MoS with some more solo films (Green Lantern, MM etc) and then release JL....or make a World's Finest before JL too.

But, yeah...There have been a lot rumors about the SR sequel. For the past few months we get news about it every now and then. We get good news, then a week or so later we get bad news. This will probably keep going on until WB makes an official announcement.

The latest official statement came from Alan Horn (is that his name? I dont remember) of WB that said he needs to see a script for the sequel before they say the OK and they'd approve a budget of 175mil. or so.

[Thomas Alan]

Heh, never thought about it, but Reeves scream when Lois Lane dies in his first movie is a pretty decent forerunner for "KAAAAAAHN!"

I'm not sure how more action with less emphasis on emotions translates to more adult though.

[Havok]

see if they make a JL movie newer versions of such things as Flash, Green Lantern, or even the Martian Manhunter they are puttin actors into the role meaning that a director couldnt chose someone else for his solo movie i doubt a jl movie will be done before all members have been done

[Tank]

A true JLA movie won't happenb until they can milke at least 3 movies each out of Batman and superman, and at least 1 movie outof the Flash, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern.

[Exodus]

For somebody to make some Flash and Green Lantern movies would be awesome.

[Obi_Wan_Kenobi_0]

Tank, on 5 Aug 2007, 02:00 PM, said:

A true JLA movie won't happenb until they can milke at least 3 movies each out of Batman and superman, and at least 1 movie outof the Flash, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern.

That's what should happen. WB though seems that wants a JL film. They already have a script for it and they're looking for directors...So...who knows.

[lovecraftian]

All I'm saying is... I really, really hope the JLA movie won't end up being a Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, The Atom, and Flash movie. If it lacked any of the big three, I'd be seriously disappointed.

[Jason Solo]

I was actually hoping a sequel would get a new director. Everyone was all over Singer's nuts when he signed on for Superman Returns, but I just wasn't feeling it after finding out it would be based on the Donner films rather a new vision. I love Superman I and II, but Singer has like, an obsession with them. Its the only way I can imagine why he wouldn't understand that those films are 30 years old and a very small amount, if any, of the current generation of movie-goers has a special place for those films in their heart like he does. Hell those first two movies hold a special place with me and even I knew that expanding on those films would be a mistake.

With all that said I thought as a stand-alone film it was good, enjoyed it in the theaters and own the DVD. I just am not sure how much my feelings for the first two films have to do with that. I mean, I can imagine someone who's never even seen the original Superman films being completely lost. Anyway, I just still can't help though what could've been with a creative, yet true to the character, reimagining of the Superman story for the big screen, but will hope that as much originality can now be spun out of this sequel and Singer stops limiting himself due to aging incarnations.

[Hammurabi-Sith]

Great. I loved Superman Returns and I can't wait for the next one.

[Durty D]

After all my worries about Routh playing Supes/Clark once he was on the screen it was fine.

Now the story...well that's another matter all together.

If they can pull together a good story i'm all for Superman Returns (again).

[D-Ray Kenobi]

I liked Superman Returns alright. It was pretty cool but I'm with Jason in thinking that it drew too much on the Donner films and didn't have it's own voice. I'd also have just preferred a new retelling of the origin story. Imagine a Superman version of how Batman Begins handled the origin story. That would have been awesome, but now the chance for that is blown.

[Darth_Malfoy]

I was thinking about MoS and whatn they could do with it. Maybe they can do something like Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer and bring in another character like Martian Manhunter or Green Lanturn to fight along side Superman. I have a feeling that they will bring in the Bizzaro story wtih the Bizarro planet (see deleted Superman Returns scene.) But to make it more interesting they could bring in a second DC hero with his arch nemisis that fights along Luther and Bizarro.

[lovecraftian]

Darth_Malfoy, on 6 Aug 2007, 12:58 PM, said:

I was thinking about MoS and whatn they could do with it. Maybe they can do something like Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer and bring in another character like Martian Manhunter or Green Lanturn to fight along side Superman. I have a feeling that they will bring in the Bizzaro story wtih the Bizarro planet (see deleted Superman Returns scene.) But to make it more interesting they could bring in a second DC hero with his arch nemisis that fights along Luther and Bizarro.

That's a good idea. Perhaps the Guardians have discovered something resembling Krypton and they could contact Kal-El and pair him with Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner to go check it out. Then maybe they could end up fighting Mongul or Darkseid, who projected the image in order to lead out the GL Corps to get rid of them.

Or if it were Martian Manhunter, perhaps they could meet in outer space and just bond over the whole last-son-of-a-dead-planet thing. And fight Bizarros or something...

PS. There was a deleted BIZARRO scene in Superman Returns?

[Spawnxlite]

Brandon Routh is a good actor. I'm surprised I didnt see him in other movies since Superman Returns came out.

Man of Steel should have another villian besides Lex Luthor.

Anyways, I'm excited for this. Probably will come out 2009, which is a long time to wait for me.

[Tank]

D-Ray Kenobi, on 6 Aug 2007, 08:26 AM, said:

I liked Superman Returns alright. It was pretty cool but I'm with Jason in thinking that it drew too much on the Donner films and didn't have it's own voice. I'd also have just preferred a new retelling of the origin story. Imagine a Superman version of how Batman Begins handled the origin story. That would have been awesome, but now the chance for that is blown.

I agree thaat it needed its own voice, but I don't agree it should have been an origin story. EVERYONE knows Superman's origins. He is the best know superhero, there isn't a person alive that knows who he is that doesn't know his origin.

Plus, with Smallville on TV, we try and compete.

RETURNS was a decent approach, I just wanted MORE. Plus, now thaat it has established itself, in can go in its own direction.

[Darth_Malfoy]

lovecraftian, on 6 Aug 2007, 02:19 PM, said:

Darth_Malfoy, on 6 Aug 2007, 12:58 PM, said:

I was thinking about MoS and whatn they could do with it. Maybe they can do something like Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer and bring in another character like Martian Manhunter or Green Lanturn to fight along side Superman. I have a feeling that they will bring in the Bizzaro story wtih the Bizarro planet (see deleted Superman Returns scene.) But to make it more interesting they could bring in a second DC hero with his arch nemisis that fights along Luther and Bizarro.

That's a good idea. Perhaps the Guardians have discovered something resembling Krypton and they could contact Kal-El and pair him with Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner to go check it out. Then maybe they could end up fighting Mongul or Darkseid, who projected the image in order to lead out the GL Corps to get rid of them.

Or if it were Martian Manhunter, perhaps they could meet in outer space and just bond over the whole last-son-of-a-dead-planet thing. And fight Bizarros or something...

PS. There was a deleted BIZARRO scene in Superman Returns?

No, it was a deleted scene showing the 'New Krypton' that Luther created, now expanded to the size of a small planet, was now a new planet orbiting between Mars and Jupitor. If Superman's blood (from the stabbing with sharp Kryptonite) mixes with the crystals etc. then maybe a clone...hence Bizarro...would form.

[Xensin]

For the "Returns" haters, why did you hate it so much? I don't understand what was so terrible about the movie.

[lovecraftian]

Xensin, on 6 Aug 2007, 05:16 PM, said:

For the "Returns" haters, why did you hate it so much? I don't understand what was so terrible about the movie.

It wasn't horrible... It just wasn't that exciting. I mean, the characterizations were okay, Brandon Routh is an excellent choice for Superman, and the effects were enjoyable.

HOWEVER:

Spoiler! --Click here to view--

Super-Baby is, IMO, one of the worst ideas in comic book cinema.

I'm sorry, but they truly should have taken advantage of the semi-reboot status of the film to right some wrongs that occurred in the series (ie. Dead Papa Kent? Urgh.).

[Thomas Alan]

I'm more in the "Eh, nothing special" catagory myself.

[Tank]

Xensin, on 6 Aug 2007, 06:16 PM, said:

For the "Returns" haters, why did you hate it so much? I don't understand what was so terrible about the movie.

I liked it, I just felt it went in a great new direction with the whole idea of the world losing Superman-- there was more to be mined there. Instead it was all put on the Lois / Superman relationship.

Super-son is kind meh, cause it's not something you can forgot, and it is also something that feels off if it is a spot-light.

i was also put off by relying on the Donner films so much.

I'm okay without a ton of action, there was enough impressive super-action to satisfy me, but the third act was kind anti-climactic. Luthor's plot was kinda banal.

Again though-- these are problems I kinda have with Superman mythos in general, so I wasn't pre-disposed to loving the film.

I didn't HATE it, but there could have been more. A sequel might do it. Let's let Luthor hook up with Braniac and clone Bizzaro and just up the stakes.

[Metropolis]

lovecraftian, on 6 Aug 2007, 05:19 PM, said:

That's a good idea. Perhaps the Guardians have discovered something resembling Krypton and they could contact Kal-El and pair him with Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner to go check it out. Then maybe they could end up fighting Mongul or Darkseid, who projected the image in order to lead out the GL Corps to get rid of them.

I would put money on Stewart's Green Lantern before Hal Jordan's.

[Mercury]

I'm perfectly fine with Brandon Routh's return as Superman. I thought he did an excellent imitation of Christopher Reeve's portrayal...which isn't a bad thing. In fact, I enjoyed Superman Returns a great deal, solely for the nostalgia factor and BECAUSE Routh reminded me so much of Reeve. I have to admit, though, I'm glad this next one is emphasizing more action. Superman Returns established his comeback. Superman: The Man of Steel is free to get down to business and actually have Superman KICK SOME ASS.

BTW, Hal Jordan MUST be Green Lantern for the movies. I'll boycott any GL film without him.

[Dom]

Mercury, on 8 Aug 2007, 06:08 AM, said:

BTW, Hal Jordan MUST be Green Lantern for the movies. I'll boycott any GL film without him.

**** that. Anyone but Hal. Scott, Stewart, Rayner, Gardner, ****ing G'Nort, even.

[King_Elessar]

What villains should we see in MOS, or JLA for that manner? Should we see the beginnings of the Legion of Doom, much like Magneto forming the Brotherhood of Mutants in the X-Men trilogy? With 13 villains to choose from, where should they start?

To help you all decide, I pulled this list of names of LOD members from wikipedia (I put asterisks next to the names I'd like to see in the movie):

Bizarro*
Black Manta (too Darth Vader-y, IMO)
Brainiac*
Captain Cold (Mr. Freeze rip-off)
Cheetah
Giganta
Gorilla Grodd* (perhaps played by Michael Clarke Duncan? Or is it too soon after Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes?)
Lex Luthor*
Riddler*
Scarecrow* (Providing he isn't killed off in TDK)
Sinestro*
Solomon Grundy
Toyman

[DarthAl]

I guess i can't understand people who say SupesReturns didn't have enough action. However, i will say that the Airplane in distress that superman safly lands in the Baseball stadium is as exciting as ANyTHing that was in any previous Superman film.

[Obi_Wan_Kenobi_0]

Actually, it did have action. I think when people mean that SR needed more action, they mean that SR needed a supervillain. Someone Superman could have a fight with. At least thats what I get...

[James Madison]

King_Elessar, on 8 Aug 2007, 07:38 PM, said:

What villains should we see in MOS, or JLA for that manner? Should we see the beginnings of the Legion of Doom, much like Magneto forming the Brotherhood of Mutants in the X-Men trilogy? With 13 villains to choose from, where should they start?

To help you all decide, I pulled this list of names of LOD members from wikipedia (I put asterisks next to the names I'd like to see in the movie):

Bizarro*
Black Manta (too Darth Vader-y, IMO)
Brainiac*
Captain Cold (Mr. Freeze rip-off)
Cheetah
Giganta
Gorilla Grodd* (perhaps played by Michael Clarke Duncan? Or is it too soon after Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes?)
Lex Luthor*
Riddler*
Scarecrow* (Providing he isn't killed off in TDK)
Sinestro*
Solomon Grundy
Toyman

One name you left off the list that I would like to see is Doomsday. Explain away his origins as being a creation by Kryptonians. I would also like to see another Kryptonian creation, Brainiac. The two of them together against Superman would be interesting.

[Iridium]

I'm looking forward very much to MoS, and I also hope a JLA film gets made, although that could be disastrous!

As for the villain for the next Superman flick, I've always wanted to see Lex Luthor get a ****ing rest from these films (please!) and let someone else have their turn. I vote for Brainiac. Some very interesting possibilities there, and if handled well I could see it being a much better film than Superman Returns (although I liked that quite a bit).

I'm really glad Singer is talking more "adult" for this flick though. The series really needs to escape the current status quo it seems to be sitting at. Not that I don't enjoy the Donner throwback that was Superman Returns, I'd just like to see him do something a little more Singer-style. He's proven with the X-Men that he can do superhero style and feel very well on his own. I'd like to see a bit more of his take on the Man of Steel.

Very much anticipating this, as it is. And I'll go see it no matter what.

[Obi_Wan_Kenobi_0]

Not exactly Man of Steel news but anyway...

IESB Exclusive: The Latest on the Upcoming Justice League of America Film!

It basically says that Singer has already signed on for Man of Steel, WB liked his take on the sequel and the script is beeing written. But WB, also, wants a JL film in 2009. They have a script, they're not sure if they'll bring Routh back and George Miller might direct.

This is a little confusing...WB should make an announcement for sure. Personaly, I want to see Man of Steel in 2009 and a JL film later. Both with Brandon Routh. If they go ahead with a JL movie then at least keep Routh...and Bale of course.

[lovecraftian]

Obi_Wan_Kenobi_0, on 8 Aug 2007, 01:42 PM, said:

Actually, it did have action. I think when people mean that SR needed more action, they mean that SR needed a supervillain. Someone Superman could have a fight with. At least thats what I get...

I agree entirely. The action was fun, especially the plane scene; however, Luthor has been SO heavily involved in the film series, he's almost become a background piece, as opposed to a real villain. The fans want to see a supervillain that Supes can actually FIGHT, as opposed to out-think. I'd actually love to see Metallo or the Parasite. Bizarro would be fantastic as well.

[Tank]

It's funny-- in comics I always tired of yet more and more villains who had the physical capacity to fight Superman-- which of course culminated in Doomsday, which I always thought was a stupid gimmick. I always preferred those villains that could out-wit superman, which Luthor was the best of.

And yet in a movie, I actually find myself agreeing in that that special effects and action might be served with Supes in a toe to toe brawl with somebody.. hence my repeated suggestion of having Braniac or Luthor hatching a scheme, and contriving Bizzarro to physically deal with Superman.

[Ryn]

Luthor gained that extra dymanic when he developed his supersuit.

(Goddamn, do I despise Doomsday.)

[Mercury]

It would potentially be very awesome to see Superman fight a mindless monster like Bizarro or Doomsday on film.

[D-Ray Kenobi]

If there are any sequels and if they do catch on, I really would like to see the whole Death of Superman storyline on film. I know many didn't really care for that era, but that's what brought me into comics in the early 90's.

[Tank]

Ecven though those events weren't on film, I think they've already touched on the impact of it. The movie began as a "world without Superman," and the 3rd act began with Superman dying in the hospital.

Those things removed from The Death of Superman just leaves the Doomsday fight.

[Ryn]

Which is animated on DVD.