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Ronald D. Moore has confirmed in interviews that there are 12 different models of humanoid Cylons.There are also 12 archetypes. Archetypal images represent fundamental human desires and evoke deep emotions. Each of the 12 archetypes we work with symbolises a basic human need, aspiration or motivation.

In other words, an archetype is a human type in its purest form: the classic hero, outlaw, ruler, etc. Each type has its own set of values, meanings and personality traits.

I have a list of the 12 archetypes and tried my best to make them fit the cylon models we know.The one problem is we don't know who the last cylon model is. I added Starbuck as the last model but if she is not then is would change the list that I have come up with. Read the decriptions of the 12 archetypes and list how you think they fit!

THE INNOCENT= Tory Foster

Every era has myths of a golden age or of a promised land where life has been or will be perfect. The promise of the Innocent is that life need not be hard. Within each of us, the Innocent is the spontaneous, trusting child that, while a bit dependent, has the optimism to take the journey.


THE REGULAR GUY/GAL= Galen Tyrol

The Regular Guy/Gal/Orphan understands that everyone matters, just as they are. Down-home and unpretentious, it reveals a deep structure influenced by the wounded or orphaned child that expects very little from life, but that teaches us with empathy, realism, and street smarts.



THE WARRIOR/HERO= Sam Anders

When everything seems lost, the Warrior/Hero rides over the hill and saves the day. Tough and courageous, this archetype helps us set and achieve goals, overcome obstacles, and persist in difficult times, although it also tends to see others as enemies and to think in either/or terms.



THE CAREGIVER= Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii #8

The Caregiver is an altruist, moved by compassion, generosity, and selflessness to help others. Although prone to martyrdom and enabling behaviors, the inner Caregiver/Altruist helps us raise our children, aid those in need, and build structures to sustain life and health.


THE EXPLORER/SEEKER/WANDERER= Starbuck (if she is the other cylon)

The Explorer/Seeker/Wanderer leaves the known to discover and explore the unknown. This inner rugged individual braves loneliness and isolation to seek out new paths. Often oppositional, this iconoclastic archetype helps us discover our uniqueness, our perspectives, and our callings.


THE OUTLAW/DESTROYER= Aron Doral #5

The Outlaw/Destroyer embodies repressed rage about structures that no longer serve life even when these structures still are supported by society or by our conscious choices. Although this archetype can be ruthless, it weeds the garden in ways that allow for new growth.


THE LOVER= Caprica Six #6

The Lover archetype governs all kinds of love—from parental love, to friendship, to spiritual love—but we know it best in romance. Although it can bring all sorts of heartache and drama, it helps us experience pleasure, achieve intimacy, make commitments, and follow our bliss.


THE CREATOR= Simon

The Creator archetype fosters all imaginative endeavors, from the highest art to the smallest innovation in lifestyle or work. Adverse to stasis, it can cause us to overload our lives with constant new projects; yet, properly channeled, it helps us express ourselves in beautiful ways.




The Ruler= Saul Tigh

The Ruler archetype inspires us to take responsibility for our own lives, in our fields of endeavor, and in the society at large. If he/she overcomes the temptation to dominate others, the developed Ruler creates environments that invite in the gifts and perspectives of all concerned.


THE MAGICIAN= Leoben Conoy

The Magician archetype searches out the fundamental laws of science and/or metaphysics to understand how to transform situations, influence people, and make visions into realities. If the Magician can overcome the temptation to use power manipulatively, it galvanizes energies for good.


THE SAGE= D'Anna Biers #3

The Sage archetype seeks the truths that will set us free. Especially if the Sage overcomes the temptation of dogma, it can help us become wise, to see the world and ourselves objectively, and to course-correct based on objective analyses of the results of our actions and choices.


THE JESTER= Brother Cavil

The Jester archetype urges us to enjoy the process of our lives. Although the Jester can be prone to laziness and dissipation, the positive Jester invites us all out to play--showing us how to turn our work, our interactions with others, and even the most mundane tasks into FUN.

[Phoenix21]

Wow, that's pretty cool. I like the breakdown.

[Obsidian]

The Wicked God Thanos, on 2 Apr 2007, 06:08 PM, said:

So what does that make Giaus Baltar? I still think he is a cylon.

Considering D'Anna's vision of the final Five is accurate, then I can guarantee you that he is not. (The Cylons D'Anna saw were 3 men and 2 women. The final Cylon is a woman if D'Anna saw correctly.)

[Darth Legolas]

The other thing to remember is that it's presumed the 12 models were made, like the battlestar's to represent the 12 colonies... But we all know that there is a 13th. Maybe at the time of the attack the Cylons didn't, and have now created a 13th model to represent Earth. Also D'Anna was boxed so there may be another #3 model still to be introduced.

Also Tyrol, Foster, Anders and Tigh are all convined that they are Cylons but it wasn't really confirmed. They were all down on New Caprica during the occupation, Tigh was notably interogated and assaulted by the Cylons, maybe they manipulated them incase they did escape so that they may yet be useful when the time comes... Like a huge fleet catching up with them. They are all in positions of power and influence within the fleet, it would be a logical backup. And as for the music and the urge to all walk into the same room at the same time may not mean what we all think, it could be subliminal mind control implanted during interogation on New Caprica which they may not have even known about. The music may be only a trigger. Even if that's not how the writers want to pursue it, Baltar's visions of Six have still never been explained and I don't think he's a cylon.

[Tank]

Moore confirmed that Saul, Anders Tight & co are in fact Cylons, and that they are fundamentally different than the ones we know.

I came into this thread thinking that the archetypes argue ment was crap, but after seeing it, it has merit!

Though i would make Cavil the Sage, Loben the trickster and D'anna the magician, and yet unknown final model the explorer.

I also like the idea that there will be a 13th model to represent Earth

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Tank, on 5 Apr 2007, 02:19 PM, said:

Moore confirmed that Saul, Anders Tight & co are in fact Cylons, and that they are fundamentally different than the ones we know.

I came into this thread thinking that the archetypes argue ment was crap, but after seeing it, it has merit!

Though i would make Cavil the Sage, Loben the trickster and D'anna the magician, and yet unknown final model the explorer.

I also like the idea that there will be a 13th model to represent Earth

I had it that way in my first draft and in my draft where President Roslin was the unknown cylon. Also since I posted this thread I keep thinking, maybe Starbuck isn't the final cylon maybe she is the leader from the scriptures that had to die before they could find Earth (not Roslin). If that is the case then I am sure the President is the final cylon. Which would explain why she had the visions along with Sharon and Six.

I also love....... the idea of the 13th model. However it would kill my theory of the archtypes. Oh well it would be a worthwhile trade. As crazy as it sounds maybe Baltar is #13!

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The_return_of_thanos, on 6 Apr 2007, 12:52 AM, said:

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I also love....... the idea of the 13th model. However it would kill my theory of the archtypes. Oh well it would be a worthwhile trade. As crazy as it sounds maybe Baltar is #13!

Not necessarily. It looks like you are using Pearson's 12 archetypes. Jung's archetypes includes 4 main archetypes(self,shadow, anima, animus), and 9 symbols of the unconscious (syzygy,child,ubernensch, hero,great mother,wise man, trickster,eternal boy, cosmic man===>totalling 13 in all, if you add the 4+9) which are similar to the Pearson archetypes. If you mix and match what you already have suggested, including the 2 different ones: the "Cosmic man" (a la original man, Adam~or Baltar?) and "Syzygmy" (divine couple~a la Adam and Eve~or Baltar and Caprica 6?), it might work. It's a reach, but...

I see where that could work. thanks for the info Thanos.